Lisa Tahir on Chaos to Creation Confessions: First of all, nothing’s wrong with you.

Debs  0:11 
Today on the chaos to creation confessions podcast, we’re speaking to Lisa Tahir from Nolatherapy.com. Lisa is a certified lots of things EMDR, reiki, and the thought code through the Institute for transformational thinking. And I’m sure she’s going to tell us a bit about some of those things later. But what’s most, what’s most exciting for me is Lisa is passionately committed to working with people through all different modalities through the senses of the body by utilizing intuition, energy healing, meditation, sound frequencies, yoga, so many different things. It’s really exciting. Now, two things we’re going to talk to her about today is, one is that she’s the author of The Chiron Effect: Healing Our Core Wounds through Astrology, Empathy, and Self-Forgiveness book, which was published just last year. And the second is that she’s been the host of a really successful podcast for the last nearly five years now. And she’s introduced, interview some really exciting people. So I’m going to shut up. And we’re going to speak to Lisa. Hi, Lisa, welcome to the podcast.
 
Lisa  1:13 
Deb, thank you so much for having me on chaos to creation. with you and your listeners. It’s such a pleasure and delight for me
 
Debs  1:21 
at So, we’ve got two things in particular that I want to talk about, which is your book and your podcast. What should we talk about first, what do you want to talk about it first?
 
Lisa  1:32 
You know, I’ve been watching your podcast on YouTube and really appreciating so maybe that’s a place to start. I love meeting a fellow podcaster. And just how, how exciting it is to have conversations with people we might not have met before. Like right now you and I. And so I don’t know I just I love podcasting on all things therapy and it’s opened a whole new set of worlds for me.
 
Debs  2:00 
How wonderful you if it has it absolutely hasn’t spoken to some fantastic people. I think what I’m so impressed with you is how many podcasts you’ve done. have you kept the energy going for podcasting and keeping that strap this strategy going and the process and the system? So what have you been doing? How have you managed that process?
 
Lisa  2:21 
I appreciate that Deb’s because I’m this Thursday will be Episode 258. I’ve been podcasting consistently weekly, for over five years. And you’re right there to be honest confessions, I know your shows about this, there have been moments where I just didn’t want to do it. It’s like oh my god, I have to prepare for another show. And then there’s this little voice in the back of my head. That reminds me, you know, you feel better after every episode you’ve ever done. So it’s like, what is the obstacle and I’m kind of like, you know, I’m tired. Like, I don’t, it feels like a lot of work. And so I’ll just kind of listen to that wisdom of my body. And like, you know what, you don’t have to do it right now. And so I might go for a walk or, you know, watch something or read something. And then I’ve learned that it’s best if I kind of start when I have the inspiration and every time Deb’s tell me this is true for you. 100% of the time, once I even go to my guests website, and take out that sheet of paper and begin to write a few notes, this momentum comes over me and like the shows written. And I always prepare I’ve learned for me that’s key to have some have some questions jotted down like have, it’s not scripted at all, but just to have some thoughts and ideas so that I can really be with my guests during that time. and not have to be wondering, what am I going to say? And I might get through my notes or I might not. But for me it always like is like the most wonderful hour of my week. And so that’s kept me going. It’s like, you know, you’re gonna feel better. So I’m curious for you your process. Well,
 
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Debs  4:04 
I’m exactly the same I have I do everything on cards. I don’t know if you do everything manually. So I have I don’t know how cool so I have little cards with with standard types of questions are and then I I review everything I possibly can. So I listen to podcasts, I will read your book, I read your book. And it’s wonderful. And then I’ll make notes. So I have and then and then so I have I’m never empty when I come to have some frame here. Then I just love to see where things go because it you’ve just been some people I’ve spoken to have been so I’ve gone on such an interesting journey on the podcast where I have just sat back and been in their flow, and other people have needed a little few more questions here and there. But everybody’s so so different than having to think a little framework but being open to the change of direction, I think is how I do it.
 
Lisa  5:04 
Yeah, same here in a very intuitive and flow state kind of way much like I hear you saying.

Debs  5:12 
Yeah, yeah. So who I’m just like this for my own interest who what was the best podcast guest you’ve ever had? Who was best?
 
Lisa  5:22 
You know, Deb’s every time I think that’s happened. There’ll be another guest that I’m like, Oh my God, this was the best episode. So I’m thinking, there’s two ways I can answer that one is kind of like dream guests that I’ve interviewed and felt so wonderful. And then others are the unexpected, most wonderful guests. And I’ll start there. Last week, I had a woman Petia cola Bova, she’s a women’s empowerment coach. And she’s from the Czech Republic lives in Las Vegas and came way to me you know, just do an email and we had the most enlightened conversation she is magnificent. helps us understand manifestation and if we manifest is non specific manifestos, or specific manifester, is the difference is one type. It manifests better and more easily by writing down their desires doing vision boards, and the other type is more in the air space. Like just thinking about things feeling it in their body, and they manifest. So she was just amazing, like, talk about when you meet someone and they just lift you up. So Petia cola boba, I have to just share her name. And that’s your website Petia cola boba com, and she’s a podcaster as well of unapologetically abundant podcast.
 
And then dream guests are the second like people. It’s like, Oh, my God, these are my mentors. These are who I learned from, when Marianne Williamson who wrote 11 books, seven of them a New York Times bestsellers, who I’ve had the honor and privilege to meet in Los Angeles numerous times, at her lectures, released her book tears to triumph on my podcast in 2016. And it was just such an honor to have that time with her. And also Dawson church who you interviewed. I love his work. He’s a scientist, and like a really, you know, quantum physics driven person. And, and just I find something in every guest. I’ve interviewed friends that have something going on that I appreciate and want the world to know about. And I believe podcasting is about changing consciousness, one conversation at a time, and it really fills my soul. So I encourage you all to listen and see what you think.
 
Debs  7:48 
Yeah, I love it. But I’ve got to say, I was very nervous when I interviewed Dr. Dawson Church, because I was like, gosh, what if I don’t get the Dawson Church laugh? Because is that? laughs I said, if I said you’ve got to promise you’re going to live got to promise you’re going to laugh when he was laughing. laughing laughing and and then when we start if you stopped, oh, no, he’s not going to laugh… And then he started laughing again. He talked about how it changes our frequency. I love that episode he did with him. Yeah, yeah. And he’s just such a gorgeous guys. Just love Yes. Like a great big teddy bear is just gorgeous guy. Yeah. Okay, so, enough about talking about other people. I’m gonna talk about you.
 
Lisa, tell me about the Chiron effect. Tell me about the book. First of all, what’s the book about? Why should we read it?
 
Lisa  8:41 
Sure. The Chiron Effect was birthed from my own desire to understand to answer the question what is beyond for both my clients myself for you listening today, we all are familiar with the patterns in our lives, that that lead us in places where we’re feeling like, like, oh, here I am. Again, this doesn’t feel good. Like how do I move beyond where I am in my life? For some of you, it might be my life is really amazing. And four or five areas but this one area, I feel like I have consistent struggle and or like insecurity around, I doubt myself. And for others of you. There’s been deeper wounding from trauma and abuse and you don’t believe that things can actually be better for you and me having been on both sides of that spectrum in my own life and being a therapist for over 20 years, as well as being in my own therapeutic healing process. I wanted to answer the question what is beyond the narrative of our woundedness of these problems? I think they become all too familiar. You know, what’s the new story of who I want to be for myself and for you listening and that’s Where I heard research Chiron, c h i r o n. And Kairos is several things in astronomy Chiron was identified as a minor planet in our solar system in 1977. Kairos was named, named after the Greek Centaur Chiron, who is the founding father of the healing and medical arts, and that mythological mythological tradition. Thirdly, Chiron was written about and spoken about by Karl Yune. And his work about the collective unconscious, and the wounded healer archetype that we embody animal instinct and human consciousness. And that’s what makes us unique and different from other species. And I was like, Okay, this is cool universe, but like, where are we going with this. And then I discovered that in astrology, Chiron is in our birth chart, just like you have a sun sign, you’re a Libra, or you’re a Gemini, or you’re a Taurus or a Scorpio, you have a Chiron placement in Pisces, and Leo, and, you know, one of those signs. And I learned, I discovered over after three and a half years of writing and research that where your chiron is, identifies the main area, that you tend to minimize yourself, you tend to doubt yourself, and you create these patterns of thoughts about yourself, which these thoughts dictate beliefs. And then we live within this parameter, a belief, and that becomes our set frequency of the people places and things that we orbit. And then the people places and things that orbit us imagine yourself as your own solar system. And that’s what the Chiron effect is. And it’s about by identifying and healing and nurturing ourselves through empathy and self forgiveness. And these areas that we tend to judge ourselves for. We go beyond that into the life of our dreams that we really wish to live. Wow.
 
Debs  12:13 
So for somebody who’s coming to the book, brand new, because I had, I’ve read it, obviously, what will they get from it? What will they certain what’s the breakthrough, they’ll find from the book,
 
Lisa  12:25 
They’re gonna have the aha moment. First of all, nothing’s wrong with you. I hear a lot of people Debs come into therapy, just feeling so upset around feeling like there’s something wrong with them. Because things in their lives haven’t quite worked out be in a relationship, or in their work or in their finances or in their family. And, and we tend to personalize those experiences and think it’s something about us when you are functioning just as you’re supposed to the things we go through in life, shape and affect us. And it’s the meaning that we make about those things, is what then begins to create our lives. And so you’re going to find in my book, that there’s nothing wrong with you, we all have certain areas that we feel vulnerable, and that we feel like we need to hide or protect or like a like, I don’t feel so good about myself in this way. And to learn, instead of hiding that and protecting it and tucking it away. And overcompensating or suppressing, saying or repressing all of those defense mechanisms that exist, that we can bring this part of ourselves out into the light of day, understand it, ask what information it has for us, and then feel really empowered and strong, and be able to share it with others instead of hiding it and being that witness an example of how when we share the things that have brought us concern or fear in the past, they lose their power, and you start to feel more relatable, you know, like, kind of in your show, like sharing these relatable moments with each other helps people see we’re more alike than different. That’s a
 
Debs  14:12 
brilliant move now into because you said earlier that you during your writing and research for three and a half years and you it wasn’t just oh, I’m going to write a book. And then the day afterwards, there’s the book called written Tell me about your thought process and, and how, how you got to like bringing this all together in the research. How did you What was your process for writing the book?
 
Lisa  14:36 
Sure. That was really intense. I had no idea that it was going to be what it was it um, first of all, I was committed to writing the best book that I can write being the person that I am. And so I wanted to research having been a therapist for over 20 years. There’s so many sounds psychological principles. Going back I reference going back to 19 Teen 14 and when Freud Sigmund Freud describe the repetition compulsion, and it’s this pattern that we frequent, we habituate in our relationships based upon the way we were imprinted by our caretakers. And then object relation is pick that up around the same time in history, about how our object relations are mimicking what we experienced in our families, with our parents with our caretakers. And that kind of sets the frequency, it’s almost like this glass ceiling, that we start to live and we don’t go beyond and we don’t even know we’re not going beyond it, because it’s all that we know. And then, you know, so my work, incorporates all of what’s been in sound psychological principles, and expands it to encored include spirituality and the work of Deepak Chopra and Marianne Williamson and other you know, it’s a synthesis of astrology being the departure point, astrology helps you identify, this is where my Kairos is, it’s an Aries. This is a core wounding in my sense of value and worth, and therefore How do I go about healing that and to give you a more, again, a specific example kyron in the sign of cancer has to do with core wounding by abandonment, and the wound of abandonment is really centered in a grief and loss process. And so I take the stages of grief, as identified by Elisabeth Kubler Ross, a psychiatrist and David Kessler. And I correlated the six stages of grief to the chakra system. And I received permission from David Kessler himself who I interviewed. And even the Elisabeth Kubler Ross Foundation, liked my post about it to expand, you know, what has been researched what has been found to be true, and incorporate some metaphysics and spirituality, to speak to that aspect of our lives, the spiritual, the psychological, the mental and physical.
 
Debs  17:09 
So one of the things I am noting here, I noticed with lots of my clients is the best books, the very best books are the books that are able to bring together these lit around the edges, bring them all together, and then bring them into some sort of coherent whole, so that other people can understand. And that’s what you’ve done with your book. Thank you that process that bringing things in from from the 80s. How did you do it for like, I mean, did you sit down every day? And now I’m going to be interviewing What was your process?
 
Lisa  17:46 
How did Sure, no, I hear you daily. I hear you Debs. You know, what I schedule specifically I scheduled writing time is if it was a client, so say on that, so I tried different approaches. At first, I was writing like after the end of my day after I saw clients and went to the gym and wrote my podcast, and I was exhausted, here it is seven o’clock, eight o’clock at night. And I was like, Oh, I don’t have a lot of fuel. So it was like, What do I do? And I actually started Googling, how did people write books, and I did read some stories about people, this woman with kids running around, and it was when they were still typewriters, and she just right in the kitchen, she was so committed to getting her book out, kids are running around, and she would just type at all hours of the morning and night. And so there were times I did that, you know, like, this is what I have this week. So even if I’m tired, I’m gonna make some tea and just see what I can get out. And then I learned for me it was more effective to schedule, like three hour blocks as if it were three clients.
 
And I tell friends, they’re like, what are you doing? You know, Tuesday afternoon, oh, I have clients, I didn’t have clients I was writing. But that helped me to formalize it to make it just as important as when I have a client. And I’m going to show up, and I’m going to be present and rested. And so I did that for several years, I just scheduled my writing time as if it were a block of clients in a row. And even if I sat down and I didn’t have any new material I would edit I’d go back to what I’ve already written and tweak it and add more sources. And you know, research so it became like this feedback loop. Whatever I sat down even if I didn’t want to I just showed up to that writing time and let flow what needed to and over three and a half years, the book came out and I felt like I experienced Debs every placement of chiron. Like going through it emotionally. I noticed things in my life started to happen to where I would feel like that person would like chiron and Leo core wounding and one’s connection to creativity. Like there were moments. I didn’t feel creative. I felt like cut off from my muse as they say And I felt like as I was working on certain chapters, I would start to really embody what that feels like. And so it was hard like chiron and Aries disconnection from one’s community. And, you know, like, I started to feel that during that chapter and so I felt like life was helping me write the book from an experiential place, I found that the book is actually a guide to life, that when you go through something that feels like an abandonment or is an abandonment, that’s the chiron. In cancer. If you’re feeling disconnected, you move to a new city, for instance, and you’re not sure where you fit in, or the city you live in, you’ve never really fit in Chi Ron in air and Aquarius, like feeling disconnected and wanting to create community. So it’s really a way to manage and go through experiences that will challenge us offer practical takeaway steps, affirmations, and even meditations that you can do.
 
Debs  20:57 
I love the affirmations, I’m Chiron in Aries.
 
Lisa  21:01 
Okay, core wounding and your sense of value and worth.
 
Debs  21:04 
Yeah, and your affirmations was like, Okay, these are my affirmations now. Yes, they felt very correct for me,
 
Lisa  21:13 
you know, and I’m thinking, Deb, since you’ve been a podcaster, and your outlet that your work has healed you, because this is meaningful work for you. You’re connecting with others. And it’s about healing your sense of how you’re loved. It’s not about over performing, or people pleasing. And your show gives you an opportunity to step into your power into your gifts. And I’m wondering if you felt that as you were reading my book on Chiron and Aries, seeing how you heal this? Yeah, absolutely.
 
Debs  21:44 
It really it really spoke to me, it really said, Oh, yeah, I can see myself in so I can feel myself in this. And yeah, I I can see lots of points in my life where, where I have healed those wounds yet. But my favorite that that you said in your book about was we repeat the same patterns. I was like, Really? I say. So different painting patterns, though. From a writing perspective, the, in your book your book is you’ve got the 12 areas, the chiron in aries, chiron in Aquarius. So that pattern that repetitiveness in the pack in the book is what I believe, and all books need some sort of repetition, to give people a comfortable feeling when they’re in the book that they know where they are, they know what’s going to come next they know. So whilst repeating some patterns is a bad thing. I think in your book, you did some repeating of patterns really, really well that made it they comfortable to read the book, so that you knew what you’re going to see next. Was that I mean, was it very deliberate that you did that outline?
 
Lisa  22:58 
Fantastic. It was very intentional to be reassuring. Yet also, like a coach, you know, my book, I take the stance, it’s like receiving a warm hug. And like, I see you I hear you, you know, I’ve got you and at the same time, Hey, why don’t you look at this, and maybe you can, maybe you can do a little differently for yourself there. Maybe you can show up for yourself differently. Because I’m a big believer in though what’s happened to us, you know, especially when it’s traumatic when there’s abuse, and when there’s loss, it’s not your fault. However to heal from that is our responsibility. And it takes a shift in our position and our and our mindset to Hey, who do I need to become, to move through this grief to move through this life change this thing, this event? You know, who do I need to become so that I can be happy? Because we can change that frequency and tone of our lives, regardless of what has happened to us or that we’ve done to ourselves? You know, if you’ve been in drug addiction, like I talked about having healed from addiction, and for me that took really taking a stand for myself, this is up to me to change, and who do I need to become? What do I need to do to get out of this pattern and this rut? Living way below who I came here to be? Who are who I sense I am who I want to be? So sometimes it takes making those in the moment hard decisions. And like saying no to ourselves? No, I’m not going to do this. No, I’m not gonna say that. No, I’m not going to go there anymore. I’m going to do something new become something new. And for other people, it might be that you’re so restrictive with yourself. You need to give yourself permission to have more pleasure to have more fun, to laugh more to take the vacation to spend the money, you know, so it’s different for each of us. But the book addresses all of that.
 
Debs  25:00 
Yeah, absolutely. And you find yourself in the book and then you you feel comfortable when you find yourself in a book. That’s how I felt. Thank you. Yeah, it was fantastic. But I want to go back a bit. I leapt around Excuse me. Yeah, like that. I loved your idea of scheduling time blocks in your diary, as if you were your own client, as if your book when your client, so. So that was one thing that you change? That was one great thing. Were there any other things that if you could tell yourself three and a half years ago, before you wrote the book, what you would do differently? Is there anything else you would do differently? You know, that’s
 
Lisa  25:36 
a really good question. Let me think for just a moment, as my kitty cat makes an appearance with us. Gorgeous, thank you. She’s, she likes being in videos. You know, I think I would have told myself that you can do this, like I felt like I would, there were moments of self doubt, you know, who were you to say these things to tell people how to live. And then I realized I’m, we all have a voice, we all have a sphere of influence. We’re all influencers and our own worlds, our own universes with our friends, and our family, and even the grocery store we go to. And it took me that whole time to realize that what I say does have value and is going to speak to people as I’m hearing now when I go on these awesome interviews with people like you Debs. And so I think I would have just encouraged like, soften the criticism. But again, the whole book is about softening our self criticisms, approving of ourselves more, learning how to forgive ourselves, layer upon layer progressively for things we did and didn’t do, it all is working out for us to become an evolve into these beautiful individuals that we are. And so I guess I wouldn’t have known that had I not written the book. But just any of you who want to write a book, just take go through the steps, the process, sometimes it can take, you know, three and a half years now feels like a blink of an eye. And I’m grateful every day that I did it that I didn’t go to certain dinners or parties or vacations. Even I had a trip booked to Italy and I just let the ticket go because the book was in a space where I needed to be with it. And so like, I just feel really proud that I stood and rose to this occasion. So you listening, if you want to write a book, it’s gonna look different for you, but just do it. It’s gonna feel so wonderful. Once you get this out there.
 
Debs  27:39 
Excellent. Really good advice. And then brings me back to the point you made earlier, you were committed to the book. So you made a commitment to the book, you’re going to make the book did you win? Sometimes you could put so I have this theory of chaos, that there was chaos and chaos is fine. You don’t have to stress about the chaos. Chaos is good. But in order to create something, we have to put some constraints. Yeah. And constraints can be things in my world can be things like time or money or resources. So usually, when I work with my clients, I help them put some constraints like we’re going to do this and it’s going to be done by this time. Did you give yourself constraints to get that creation finished? Or were you completely in the flow, and you allowed it to happen?
 
Lisa  28:24 
You know, I worked with two editors, I did hire two editors as I was writing to submit to them. And that helped me stay on track having these two other people as accountability partners, which I like to call it like, it really formalizes process, like I am writing a book, and the commitment is to the book. But beyond that, it’s to the people who are going to read it. And I started when I started to feel doubtful or tired or like, Oh, you don’t have to do this. You know, like I thought about the readers I hadn’t reached yet. And that really fueled me dubs, like the people now that have it, like I started to vision into that future of this person that is not going to be my client one on one, but like, what if I help them change their lives? What if they change their relationship to shame, to guilt? Like, what if they’re able to free themselves as a result, and that’s what fueled me to then get to my editors, you know, this next chapter or the revision that they sent me because they would review what I wrote and send it back to me. And using this, like, autocorrect I forgot what it’s called track changes, you know, so it’s kind of like we were on this journey and path together. So having those two editors really helped me to stay engaged and even excited. And in the moments where it’s like, they sent back and edit that was gonna take a lot of time. It’s like, Okay, I’m gonna schedule that block of time, because I’m going to spend more energy and effort here to redo this part, articulate it better. And I learned that you know, in working in concert, With those individuals, it just really helped the book grow and become better because they were, they were taking my words and being like, Oh, I hear you. But I’m not really clear with this means like, Can you say it in a different way? So it just helped it helped make it richer?
 
Debs  30:14 
Yeah, that is a phrase, I think I got an apartment who said it was something along the lines up, it takes a village to raise a book. I don’t I love that alone. I don’t I really don’t think you can write a book alone, I think you do need to, you need to bounce the ideas along with people and to just get that feedback, because you might say something in a certain way. And in your head, it has a meaning. But when it hits somebody exactly the same meaning Yeah.
 
Lisa  30:43 
Can I throw in something that just came up Debs is your athlete, any dude got it for questions for our listeners. Also, one thing that really stood out to me during this process is that I didn’t let people read it until it was done. Because the couple times I’d share a chapter, and it’s like, there’s crickets, nobody saying anything, I realized, I’m kinda like the energy. It wasn’t I was pregnant with this book. And I realized, just like with a human birth, you don’t want to deliver prematurely when possible. And so it’s like, I felt like I was nurturing this information to grow it into where it was finally ready to be read by others. And so that was something that stood out the whole time people asked, What’s this book about? And I would be like, Oh, you know, you’ll see. And eventually, people kind of stopped asking, and then like, a year, are you still writing a book, I was like I am. But I learned to just keep it really kind of under wraps in a loving and sacred and protective way. And I’ve heard so many other authors tell me that, that are New York Times bestsellers, that they keep this to themselves until it’s ready, because the energy is so you know, it’s so I don’t know if delicates the right word, but you don’t want to expose it to so many other opinions that you lose your own. You know why you’re doing this, and I want it to be purely, you know, this is something I was led to write and contribute. And I didn’t want that voice to be inhibited or changed, you know, in any way. And I wonder what you think about that?
 
Debs  32:15 
No, absolutely. And there is a fragility to a water quality in those creation stages. And too many prodding, go, poking will will definitely cause problems. I’ve had clients who’ve had like, 10 or 20, people commenting on chapter by chapter and loop and the client loses their own thread. momentum, they lose their voice. Yeah. Yeah. So yeah, there’s a definite protection. And I think, I think there comes a point where it’s robust enough to have some feedback. And to have Yes, you know, to, to, I have this idea of ideas are in our heads, and our head is like this great big brain jar. But I’ve got a brain dump, I love that brain dump. Right. So this is not my thing. These are all different ideas in the brain. And but when a brain when an idea gets enough energy to break out of the brain, john break out into the world, that’s when you should release it. Otherwise, it can just stay, you can stay safe in the brain job.
 
Lisa  33:24 
You know, I love the way you think it’s so making breaking down even chaos to creativity. Like when I think about that statement, I think about and this came to me during the book, like this energy of chiron, this material, this book has been in the universe, and there are a few other books having to do with chiron. None of them incorporate psychology into their minds the first to do that. But this, you know, chiron isn’t new chiron has been around since Greek mythology and possibly even before. So I also felt this urgency that Lisa, if you don’t write this, if you don’t take this moment, and capture and harness it through you, someone else will. So it was also this awareness that ideas, you know, are like out here in the ethers. And they come to us like you listening, you might have an idea you’ve been sitting on, and I encourage you take it out. And like you just took out that ball from the from the brain jar, like take it out and look at it and examine it and see if there’s something here to move with it. Because I had the awareness that ideas are that energy and we receive it and it’s like, if you’re not going to do something with that someone else will and this is an idea I wanted to be the author and creator of and yeah, so just to share that too. It’s wonderful. And,
 
Debs  34:39 
you know, I know, you said you were proud of what you achieved, I imagine I can see why you’re proud of it. Anybody who they made you walk especially one that brings together different strands and different from around the edges and then brings it into a hole that I understand the the the birthing process of that I mean it’s yeah Back to your analogy. So change your focus a little bit. Yeah. Now ask you a question that I love asking this question. It’s one of my favorite questions in the world. So when was the last time you did something for the first time? Oh, that’s
 
Lisa  35:16 
such a wonderful question. Debs. When is the last? I feel like there’s something you know, what I, what’s coming to mind is I feel like that. It happened recently. I just had my 50th birthday on June 17. And I said, Thank you, I had eight I invited, you know, took the risk to invite eight of my best girlfriends asking them Will you come out to Los Angeles, I live in New Orleans and Los Angeles. And they had never seen my life that I have built here over the last seven years. And you know, like, knowing they might say no, or we can’t do that. But they all showed up. They all came here. And we rented this amazing house. And we went to eat at a place I have looked at for seven years, and always wanted to go to in Santa Monica. And we all went there. So I feel like it was something I did though. I’ve been with these friends. You know, we’ve been friends for so many years. Like we had never done this. And I just was so happy I asked if they would come share and seeing my life here together. So that feels like a really recent. First new
 
Debs  36:27 
I that’s a beautiful first thing because I because it involves lots of other people. I think that’s really, uh, you know, really one of the best ways to do a new first. Because when I speak when I ask people this question quite frequently, what I find is the most creative people are always there’s always something that they’ve done, you know, like that. That’s a newer first that they’ve done. And
 
Lisa  36:47 
when something for you to I’m curious.
 
Debs  36:51 
This year, I started learning to play the guitar. Very cool. Yeah, I’m trying I’m trying to stave off the brain cells decaying.
 
Lisa  37:01 
Learn? Yes. They don’t have to, as you know, our words are powerful, and what we think and believe, create, so you’re doing it. You’re right on. Yeah.
 
Debs  37:11 
And we just bought a cello. So that’s cool. I’ve never touched a cello before in my life. So yeah, we’re trying to do lots of new things. So I think we should let’s rounded up now, because I noticed that I take about 30 minutes, and we’re about 30 minutes. Sure. Is there anything I haven’t asked you that you’re just dying to tell me?
 
Lisa  37:30 
I think the only thing that came up again, during your really insightful questions, is for listeners to know in my book, at the end of my book, I added a resource section. So this are like the practitioners and people that I that I know of personally, and it includes astrologers, if you’re more of the astrology mind, because my book again, uses astrology as the diagnostic point. And then from there, it goes into psychology, spirituality and taking personal responsibility. So I list some of my favorite astrologers, healing professionals, other therapists, books, resources, tools. So I felt like that was important. So you have some other places to go with your questions to receive those answers.
 
Debs  38:14 
I spotted that I thought that was one of the best resources sections I’ve seen in a book from very likely. So it wasn’t overwhelming. But it was so useful, because they are that’s an interesting book. I haven’t looked at that. I haven’t seen this. And that just opens up the world. I think for people so it’s really good resources section. People definitely need to go and look at that. Thank you. So they’ve read the book. Yes. Is there anything else you want to tell him?
 
Lisa  38:42 
No, I feel really good about our time Deb’s thank you to you and these
 
Debs  38:46 
people get in touch with you. How can we get in touch with you? What’s your website address?
 
Lisa  38:51 
The it’s Nolatherapy.com. And oh l A, th er a py.com. It’s easy to remember because it stands for New Orleans, Los Angeles. therapy.com. You can find me on Instagram and Facebook. At Nola therapy. I love hearing from you. Please follow me on social media and reach out. It’s Lisa at Nola therapy.com for my email. And you can Google my name or the book. It’s available everywhere. books are sold. It’s being translated into Chinese right now and released in 2022. And Asia. So I just would love to connect with you and be your therapist. Whatever, whatever will be helpful.